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Why Come Here : Earth 1


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. So in considering the presence of aliens on our planet, we are drawn inexorably to the question “Why are they here?” There is a lot of evidence of alien presence on our planet. In fact a lot of evidence of many different aliens on our planet.

So, to think that all the beings that are visiting this planet come from the same place, with the same purpose in the same type of craft is ridiculous. It is like standing on a busy highway and assuming that all the cars are of the same make, come from the same place and are proceeding with the same purpose.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. The circumstance of the alien presence is obviously complex with different alien races having different goals and purposes, relevant to themselves and not necessarily to us.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. One UFO researcher who has spent over 30 years interviewing many witnesses throughout the world, says it is evident that we are confronted by a diversity of UFO visitants.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. And our knowledge of the aliens is limited by our own limitations. There is evidence of alien presence on this planet throughout the Bible – in effect covering a span of thousands of years. There is evidence of alien presence on this planet in ancient Mesopotamian texts, in aboriginal cave paintings and even in artwork over the last thousand years.

Up until the modern era, people relating stories of alien encounters would have met with substantial disbelief. These stories were not within the average human experience, so most people would tend to discount any stories of alien contacts.

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Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. The presence of Paill Spectrum tends to make “well” human beings discount odd irrational or unusual stories. Such stories are much more likely to begin and end within the affected brain of the human being reporting the alien sighting or presence.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. History itself lends itself poorly to recording sightings of alien activity. Limited communications would mean that individuals having the same experiences across the planet, are never likely to find each other or to validate each other’s experiences.

For example, the overwhelming majority of the reports of the aliens called the “Greys” (or similar), did not appear in print until the late 1970s. Even then many of these reports tended to occur in the Western world, not elsewhere. (Is this an effect of media control/censorship in totalitarian countries? Are the aliens less interested in contacting human beings in the less scientifically advanced countries – not the West? Have the aliens found that they can interact more easily with the more democratic countries on the planet and can achieve their purposes more easily in these same countries?)

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Certainly many people have seen the aliens within our skies, over our seas and on our lands. The prevalence of this experience suggests that we should stop calling them UFOs. Perhaps we should be calling them ETFOs – extra-terrestrial flying objects. They have a mode of movement which is very characteristic, characteristic enough to allow for easy and distinctive identification.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Planes tend to have blinking lights on their wings and to move at a specific speed and direction. Meteors can be seen in the light sky. Their movement is linear and very fast, occasionally terminating in a flash of fire or light. Satellites move in a linear but definite fashion, generally much faster than planes.

ETFOs are capable of moving as fast as or much faster than satellites. Right angled changes in flight paths give them a distinctive pattern of movement. There are no flashing red/ green/ white anti-collision lights as there are on planes. They also tend to appear in specific circumstances. (Generally they are much more likely to be seen at night, when there is limited ambient light (not a situation common in many of our cities. And they often seem to be drawn by events such as space docking manoeuvres, space station construction activity and high-tech military events.)

Generally their activities put them in the low earth orbit range, beyond the ionosphere and consequently out of radar detection. However many pilots over the last few decades have been confronted by “craft” within vision or within proximity to their aeroplane.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. The experience of a century shows these aliens contacting people, abducting people, subjecting people to various medical procedures, giving some contactees “prophetic” messages, taking people on trips, and doing odd things with farm animals.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. The big question for many people is – “Is there sustained institutional contact or cooperation with governments?
Erasmus: Erasmus. Personally, I’m very sceptical of the concept of cooperation with government. I think any agenda they have is maintained in secret amongst themselves and certainly not communicated to us.

In the Watergate scandal, a secret between one watchman, a few burglars and a president - could not be maintained in secrecy. How can secrecy be maintained where dozens of people are involved over decades of time? You would at least expect deathbed confessions to break through the veil as the sceptical opinions of the individual challenge the restrictions imposed upon them.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Personally my opinion is, if they are here - they here for a good reason. The ability to create technology and sustain civilisation implies a way of thinking which is goal-directed and effectively goal oriented. You do things because it achieves a purpose. And I believe such a purpose is easily understood by anyone.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. What are your ideas on “Why they are here?”

Erasmus: Erasmus. The basic reasons as to why they are here, are just as applicable to us as humans as to any aliens. European civilisation spread across the planet, colonising America and Australia, creating bases across dozens of islands across the globe. It is a process which is very much a kin to that of the aliens present on planet Earth. Humanity spreading across the globe would be a very similar situation to that of aliens spreading across part of galaxy.

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Kinkajou:Kinkajou. So let’s get back to: What are your ideas on “Why they are here?”

Erasmus: Erasmus.

In short, the very proposal of hybridisation (alien plus human), suggests that we are dealing with one species, not 2 species.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Governments! Government would sponsor some of its “citizens” embarking on exploration/sightseeing or tourism. And I’m sure amongst the citizens – there would always be someone who would volunteer spite of the obvious problem of losing decades of their life in traveling to and from their objective.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. What do EBEs want in terms of their bases?
Erasmus: Erasmus. Safety and security – a site where there will be no intervention or disturbance of their operations or where they can be sure they will not be attacked.

Access to people for “experimentation”. Now here is a dilemma. If you want to experiment on human populations ideally remote and primitive is best.

Populations that no one is listening to. Populations that cannot communicate easily to other people. Populations with a minimum of mechanisation and industry. (The US may scramble jet fighters to intercept a UFO/ ETFO contact, but what about an African country?). So it doesn’t make sense that the bulk of our contacts occur in the West, when if you want to experiment with people¸ it would make sense to have the bulk of your contacts in less advanced, less industrialised and less populated countries.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. This The issue of course may be that there are just as many contacts in other countries as in the West, but that you are a lot less likely to hear about them.

I suppose too that technological countries give access to the products of technology: refined metals in particular and easily. Imagine trying to access a kilogram of thulium from deepest Africa. in Australia, it would arrive by mail at you doorstep and fast too, without being stolen or subject to a necessity for bribes to facilitate its delivery.

So there are some very obvious befits of life in the Western World.

In the communist state, lots of people would become interested in what you are doing. Thulium?? In the west, no one would care. Everyone would respect there would be some good reason - probably them making something - not their problem.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Dr Steven Greer, the director of the Centre for the study of extra-terrestrial intelligence after a review of documents and case studies to which he has been exposed, suggests this list of the aliens’ principal activities.

* General reconnaissance of the earth as a civilisation
* Observation and assessment of our military and nuclear capabilities.
* Studying human psychology.
* Assessment of human development.
* Assessment of human technology.
* Monitoring the space program, with particular interest in parts directed toward establishing college and space.
* Limited interaction with humankind in passing information about themselves and acting to mask their presence.

Apocalyptic versions of the destruction of the earth are commonplace with abductees – and seem to be central to the Greys’ abduction repertoire. Most of us take this as the Greys are warning us to change our ways for our benefit.

Erasmus: Erasmus. My own personal feeling is that the Greys are warning us - to threaten us that if we do not cooperate with them, these catastrophic outcomes could be inflicted upon us.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. When intervention does occur, more commonly with contactees rather than abductees, it is generally on a very personal level, rather than a grandiose gesture of omnipotence or a demonstration of power.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Strangely enough although there are many reports of the military confronting or even attacking alien spacecraft (ETFOs), but there are very few examples of the aliens responding in any way except as in a defensive mode.
Erasmus: Erasmus. This is not necessarily an indication of the peaceful intentions.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. True. The action of acting aggressively tends to provoke a similar type of reaction. If your response to aggression is always neutral, you are less likely to gather aggressive reactions to your actions.

They can shoot at you, but you shouldn’t shoot back. As an alien if you begin to shoot back at human planes or facilities, humans are very likely to become much more belligerent militaristic and aggressive in any confrontation where alien incursions occur.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Yes I believe superior technology can win most confrontations, however alien spacecraft (ETFOs) do fall out of the sky, probably blaming the weather or their stupidity as the main trigger events. The aliens certainly would not want to add militaristic humanity as a factor in increasing the probability of mission failure and especially of mission catastrophe.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. They are a long way from home. Logistics must be a real problem.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Explain the issue about the weather and the alien stupidity.
Erasmus: Erasmus. The weather is a fairly obvious factor. Storms can create intense and powerful movements within the atmosphere (rising and falling thermals and irregular air currents and wind gusts). Lightning can create immense electromagnetic forces of millions of volts and millions of amps at erratic and unpredictable intervals.

To get hit by lightning or affected by a storm, asks the question “why not just avoid the storm in the first place”. Our own planes routinely fly above or around storms to avoid danger. EBEs have craft capable of flying higher and faster than our own aircraft, so there is no excuse to be caught in the storm.

But I think the alien spacecraft design also implies a great deal stupidity, not superiority.

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Storms and Lightning:

Goo: Goo the Numbat. There is one obvious conclusion that can be drawn from the alien's avoidance of storms and lightning. They are susceptible to electrical events of several million volts and several million amps.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Why is there flying so erratic- especially with right angled travel direction changes?
Erasmus: Erasmus. Neil Armstrong piloted the lunar module down onto the moon. The propulsion was a single rocket engine central to the base of lunar module. It is an incredible tribute to his experience and proficiency that he managed to balance a craft from orbit to landing on a single jet rocket plume. This is a situation which is highly unstable, due to the difficulty of balancing lateral forces over a single driving vector (the rocket engine).

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Lunar Lander Simulator and Trainer: such as would have been used by Neil Armstrong. Note there is only a single propulsion jet engine on which to balance the craft. Flying would be neither easy nor safe.

It is a situation that you can get away with many times. But it is a situation that is guaranteed to create a reasonable proportion of disasters. Once a craft with a single driving engine (single vector propulsion) develops lateral instability, it is very difficult to re-stabilise the craft with only a single driving engine. Much more stable is to have three or more (rocket type) nozzles or their equivalent for a gravity drive engine.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Obvious when you put it that way.
Erasmus: Erasmus. Thus, whatever the superiority the aliens are intending to impress us with, is belied in their lack of ability to design more stable craft (ETFOs). Accidents happen – but it becomes fairly obvious that it is shoddy design of the propulsion system of the craft that makes accidents happen far more often.

I suppose the saving grace for them is that if an accident does happen, it will usually happen at immense speed with impact onto the land surface of the planet. It is likely that the fragments arising from such a collision will be very small and very very widely distributed.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Yes. Not likely to help us much in reverse engineering their technology.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. There have been some reports of aliens visiting missile sites. However, there is no report of overtly hostile intent. Missiles’ multi-digit launch codes have been scrambled and management and security systems have been temporarily compromised. But attacks as such have not occurred.
Erasmus: Erasmus. I think in consideration it becomes obvious that most of our current electronics is not hardened against EMP pulse. From what we know of alien spacecraft, (ETFOs), they generate intense electromagnetic fields which are capable of causing accidental and incidental effects. Note the common contactees’ / abductees’ experience of lights flickering and of non-diesel car engines stalling.

UFO Discs approaching automobiles and other vehicles on the ground tend to neutralise their electrical systems. Diesel powered vehicles do not appear to suffer engine failure on a close encounter - as do petrol engined vehicles. However, in both cases, lighting systems (electrical systems) may fail or flutter with ETFO/UFO activity.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Some contactees/abductees who have experienced close encounters or failed abduction attempts have exhibited burn marks – suggestive of UV or microwave exposure. As not all witnesses exhibit these burn type effects, it suggests an accidental or unintentional effect. Alternatively, different alien groups may have different drive propulsion frequencies.

We have mentioned before on this site that infrared energy is emitted in quantity as an adjunct to the operation of a gravity drive. Our gravity site enkgravity.com would suggest that it is possible to use a number of different drive frequencies and engine materials, all likely to have distinctive "waste"energy patterns. Hence - "to burn" or "not to burn".

Erasmus: Erasmus. There is something there that strikes me in the comment about accidental or unintentional. Domestic and industrial power systems have been affected by ETFO craft. Nuclear missiles safe in their silos have had their electrical control systems interfered with. Fighter air craft attempting to intercept ETFOs have had the instrumentation and weapon systems neutralised.

But yet domestic passenger carrying aircraft appear to escape from being interfered with by ETFO craft. In fact, the flying saucer discs often exhibit a playful approach to conventional passenger carrying aircraft. Their performance seems disposed specifically to impress and amaze the captive audience.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. That does suggest a level of care with the amount of interference that the ET is subjecting humanity to.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. But then think of the ruckus that an incident with an aircraft would create. If a plane load of people became injured or missing, the resources of the world would be pumped into chasing down ETFOs. Everyone would know they are a menace. And menaces need to be neutralised.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Agreed.



Kinkajou:Kinkajou. You mentioned quarantine previously. Could you tell us more about this?

Erasmus: Erasmus. . Yes it is certainly possible that the aliens may be imposing a selective space quarantine. They may sabotage some military payloads and disable probes that may discover alien bases or are capable of surveillance of alien bases throughout solar system.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. One contactee reports being taken into an alien spaceship. Somehow, he was prevented from being fearful,
Erasmus: Erasmus. (Easy with inhaled sedatives, narcotics).
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. He saw some barracks- like structures full of hundreds of small aliens working on a production line- apparently for the maintenance of the craft systems.
Erasmus: Erasmus. . Sounds ridiculous. That many people doing one job implies a level of activity that we have not seen and would seem discordant to the needs of a small base.

I cannot accept the production line model of maintenance.

I think the number and complexity or the systems and the small size of operations here would suggest a multi-cottage industry model: lots of small groups working on different tasks, but not all on one task.

This witnessed event becomes counter-intuitive.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Maybe they are just bottling beer or other alien snacks because they lack the machinery to do automatic industrial work.
Erasmus: Erasmus. I suppose that might work as an explanation.



Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Back to our contactees seeing derrick like structures full of hundreds of small aliens.

They went on to tell the contactee:
We have been here for some time. We do not intend to leave.
We mean no harm to earth people.
WE do not want to conquer you.
WE want to reach out and establish an adult relationship which would be beneficial to both parties”

Erasmus: Erasmus. So, when they went on to tell you all this: I personally become more than a little bit sceptical about what their stated goals may be.

After being here for some time, what do they have to show for their establishing an adult relationship beneficial to both parties.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. True. I think there is nothing on the planet not the work of men and no biologic ( plant or animal) that gives evidence to the alien's actions in assisting us.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I have seen some reports in UFO discussion groups about mysterious deaths in the scientific community.
In Britain in the 60s and 70s there were a number of deaths in the scientific community involving bizarre and inventive methods of self-destruction. Many involved scientists working for their own government or scientists contracted to the UK defence industry by the US.

Erasmus: Erasmus. It seems unrealistic to me to think that the aliens would be involved in this sort of activity. The development of technology is an inexorable process spanning thousands of scientists in dozens of countries over decades. In general, much of this technology is going to develop, if develop it will. Knocking a few people off here and there is not going to change the path of technology or civilisation.

If anything, such activity focuses attention on the technologies that seem to be targeted for repression. Such activity is likely in the long term to encourage the development of these technologies, not discourage them.

To me such reports suggest the action of a hostile competitor – the Soviet Union being the most likely culprit in the 60s and 70s. The Soviet Union, in undertaking actions to block specific research advances, buys time to allow for itself to develop its own counter technology and countermeasures.

But from an alien’s perspective, I would think this intervention is almost pointless. So I’m disinclined to blame the aliens for the deaths of a number of scientists in defence industries in the West, over a specific period of decades.

I think the Soviets are very good at inventing bizarre and unusual ways of knocking people off as well. Witness their poisoning of some of the anti-Soviet leaders and of some of their defecting spies. Radio -nuclear isotope poisonings and nerve agent poisonings have been seen.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. Agreed. What sort of an idiot uses unusual bizarre technology to cause a death. When something bizarre and unusual occurs, especially if a death is involved, all the resources of a government and technology are mobilised to identify and track the causative agent.

in contrast, who would expend almost limitless amounts of manpower and resources to work out why someone had been hit by a truck.

Erasmus: Erasmus. And the presence of such bizarre killing agents implies the source. If someone is stabbed by a knife, then anyone could be responsible. But when someone is attacked with radio nuclear isotopes or nerve agents, it becomes obvious that only a government or a technological power has resources to create such a weapon.

To put it simply – no one would look twice at the simple stabbing or shooting or at someone being hit by a truck. These things happen all the time. Obviously the target just pissed someone off. The mere use of bizarre technology points to the involvement of a government, whereas something simple such as a pistol would hardly create a ripple of interest and would certainly not point to the resources of a foreign government being involved in the killing.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I’ve seen other people’s lists to explain why the ETFOs are here.
* Surveillance: perhaps with the intent of contacting us once we are sure will not attack them. Developing a catalogue of our resources, abilities and technologies.
* Fear of Humanity: Becoming distressed by the propensity of humans to irrational violence.

Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. Yes the presence of Paill Spectrum is not intrinsically obvious although its effects definitely are. To see how angry, violent irrational and unreasoning human beings can become must be very concerning to a neighbour. To call ones such as these – friends, would seem an act of foolish bravado. To draw attention to ones such as these of one’s proximity in the nearby galaxy, would seem an act of foolish bravado as well.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. It would seem obvious that neighbouring extra-terrestrial species would fear invasion by Homo sapiens, once Homo sapiens achieves space travel.

* Concern or fear regarding nuclear developments: A number of alien contacts have expressed concern regarding nuclear explosions witnessed on our planet and about their possible effects. (They have mentioned they have been concerned about the effects of nuclear explosions on planet Earth affecting our sun).

Erasmus: Erasmus. Still, you’ve never seen them do anything about it. Did we see any concerned aliens appearing out of the woodwork to give us advice or to help us with Chernobyl or Fukushima? How would anything such as a nuclear explosion on surface of our planet make any difference to the sun or even to any of the rest of the solar system? The sun is a nuclear reactor that is a million miles in diameter. The sun’s energy is immense.
A solar flare's energy is comparable to millions of 100-megaton hydrogen bombs exploding all at once. It's 10 million times more energy than an exploding volcano puts out. Even so, it's just 10 percent of the energy the sun emits — in a single second.

How would a spark on planet Earth make any difference to an immense conflagration on the sun?


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Back to why other people think the aliens are here:
* Gathering Raw Materials: They Want Something from here to transport home on a commercial basis.

Erasmus: Erasmus. This is a crock. I am certain that in our solar system – and in other solar systems too – there are many sources of nuclear resources or other minerals waiting to be found. This stuff is just not worth the cost of exploitation and transport over the vast distances of interplanetary space.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. I would tend to agree. The things that are worthwhile harvesting and transporting are things with a high acquisition cost and a low replication cost. Information, new species or cultivars of plants and new species or cultivars of animals, new species of bacteria or fungi or protozoa are all worth the high capital cost of acquisition. Because once you have these things, and bring them home, you can replicate them at minimal cost to whatever extent is economically viable.

Erasmus: Erasmus. I have often had the thought that banana plants seem to be a very unusual piece of vegetation on this planet. They are so unlike so many other plants or trees here that their simple presence suggests they came from someone else.
Goo: Goo the Numbat. A definite thought and food for much more thought.

The answer will be in the DNA. You cannot hide the footprints of technology. You should be able to easily work out the track of evolution and the footprints of science in the development of a commercial plant such as the banana. One of you told me before that banana plants have 60% of their DNA homologous with the DNA of a human being. So, it does seem that banana plants are of terrestrial, not extra-terrestrial origin.

Perhaps they could have been sourced here, improved elsewhere and then returned by accident or by purposeful activity.


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Kinkajou:Kinkajou. There are however hundreds of species of banana on the planet, some more commercially useful than others.
Erasmus: Erasmus. Again if there has been an improvement in specific subspecies or cultivars, the DNA fingerprints of evolution and science can be observed.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Some aliens reported to human contactees that they have come to this world to obtain something of which they are running short. One contact reported that this resource was to be found at the bottom of the sea.

Erasmus: Erasmus. I really cannot see the anything would be uniquely found on this planet at the bottom of our sea that could not be found anywhere else. Suggestions such as titanium, tritiated hydrogen, lithium or molybdenum, I am sure are available in many many places and again not worth the cost of exporting if you live light years from here.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. This whole scenario smacks of the aliens creating dis-Information to side-track the interest of humans and to stop them from seeking alternative explanations.
Kinkajou:Kinkajou. There have however been some claims made by other contactees of aliens undertaking mining operations for beryllium, titanium and zirconium. All three of these ores are commonly used in nuclear engineering projects. The claim is consistent with fact and with the availability of resources in the area of the claim.

Erasmus: Erasmus. So maybe it’s true.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Yes indeed perhaps maybe it’s true. But it’s true because they need these resources here and now for the construction of, for example a vehicle. Not because they need these resources to export back to home light years away.

Erasmus: Erasmus. If you are given an explanation, you automatically focus on acceptance or rejection of this explanation. This removes your focus on looking for new or alternate explanations and removes your focus from looking for more clues in the environment.
It achieves the goal of misdirection, increasing the likelihood of maintaining secrecy


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. More reasons suggested as to why they are here:
* A Program of Conquest: The logistics of a program of physical conquest in the context of the immensity of distances between suns in a galaxy would tend to preclude such a thought. In addition, if you are going to undertake a program of extermination of humanity, you need to do it in a fashion which is militaristic and effective. In short you develop a number of agents, introduce this them rapidly and sequentially, outstripping the capacity of the biological entity to adapt – in effect creating an extermination event.

Erasmus: Erasmus. Our observation of the introduction of the plagues of the biblical era and of the last few hundred years, suggests a program of “control” rather than a program of extermination.

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The closest realistic scenario I have seen an extermination event is in John Wyndham’s book – “The Day the Triffids”. The Triffids have a hostility to all things animate – on whom they may prey on for food. They are not particularly threatening to humanity, until a second disaster – the removal of the sense of vision from a large portion population (becoming blind) removes humanity's advantage over this quite ordinary foe.

The ability of the Triffids to sporulate and replicate creates a numerical advantage over a disadvantaged enemy “humanity”.

What is particularly interesting to me here is the concept of the “double disaster”. What makes the story of "The Day of the Triffids" particularly civilisation threatening is the conjoining of two disaster events, either of which in isolation could be overcome by humanity. The disaster is exacerbated by the collapse of technological activities – mining, metallurgy, industrial production and industrial food production.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. More reasons for them to be here:
* Setting Up Bases: (for multiple purposes). Many sightings have been reported as concentrated around areas of military or economic significance and of space installations. For example: Area 51, Groom Lake, Nevada.

Area 51 is also known as DARC. (Defence Advanced Research Centre). It is apparently 10 stories in height (underground). It is the official site of storage of “foreign artefacts”.

An alternate explanation for the secrecy involved is that the government can’t come clean as to the extent is to which it has violated people’s rights. (Cf negotiating with the aliens). So anyone who found out too much about UFOs or aliens would need to be “disappeared”.

Numerous people over the years have come “out” about Area 51, claiming to have seen alien spacecraft. Space scientist David Adair was one of the witnesses quite upset about the secrecy. “When I think of all the ways we could advance with this knowledge of ET contact, it makes me sick that this information is hidden”. David Adair worked as a technology transfer consultant redesigning space program technologies for commercial applications after his stint at Area 51. Gulf Breeze, near Pensacola, Florida

Goo: Goo the Numbat. What alien bases have been mentioned?
Puerto Rico adjacent to US military bases, adjacent to atmosphere research bases near the Arecibo radio telescope
Gold Coast hinterland, Australia: an area of limited military significance but until recently a sparsely inhabited area with good access to local cities and human installations. You can be nearby to civilisation, but safely distant. Unfortunately, Brisbane and the Gold Coast have exploded in terms of population growth over the last 40 years, so it is not as “remote” as it used to be. Still, ETFO activity in this area is like to be under very little surveillance.

Bass Strait in Australia (between the mainland and Tasmania).
In the Pennines in North Yorkshire in England and off the North Wales coast.

In fact, the hotspots around the earth are probably too numerous to record, suggestive of many alien bases having been built over a long period of time.

Now that gets very interesting to me. The best way of stopping human beings hanging round your backyard, is to make sure that you own your own backyard. Setting up secret bases works on a planet with low population and many remote areas. However once technology and civilisation delivers fast communication and surveillance, the best way to hide is on a piece of property that you own yourself and have a legitimate right to keep other people away from. If it’s your cattle farm or your property, you can even call the local police to have interlopers taken away.

Erasmus: Erasmus. If you have been here for a long time and come from a civilisation with a significant technological edge over local humans, the opportunities to sell things of value must be immense. Even the acquisition and retention of properties or land at the peripheries of cities would be immensely profitable if one can afford the perspective of waiting for even small periods of time such as 30 to 50 years.

Certainly I remember one property i used to drive past on the edges of civilized Brisbane. 40 years later, the growth of the city has swallowed this piece of land and made it immensely valuable. If you can adopt the long perspective, it’s easy to make money.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Being present on planet Earth also gives human like “aliens’ the capacity to infiltrate every major nation and institution on our planet. They could be among us observing and evaluating every step of our scientific advancement.
Erasmus: Erasmus. Still if that were the case: that there was a substantive infiltration of earthly human social structures: you would expect that someone somewhere would “leak” evidence of their presence. If there are hundreds of them and they have been here for decades, I don’t think secrecy could be maintained that well for that long.

And if there are medical differences : say blood group variations- someone sooner or later would have an accident that would introduce him to “hospital care” and the capacity for exposing discrepancies.


Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Another suggestion has been that Homo sapiens may be a biological construct, created for the use of another intelligent species – perhaps dinosaurs- now extinct on the earth, or perhaps nearby alien civilisations.

Erasmus: Erasmus. . If we consider humanity as a biological construct, it breeds the question of, “Were humans created as slaves or as weapons?” Human beings have bred dogs to be loyal companions. Other entities may well have created humans for a similar role, but perhaps lost control of the relationship.

Dr Xxxxx: Dr Xxxxx. I think we have suggested this in our explanation of biblical events in our distant past and of other health events in our recent past. Humans are a very cooperative and helpful species. Add commanding genes – such as fast serotonin genes, fast noradrenaline genes, slow histamine genes, or low opioid genes, and you have created a “long-term domination scenario” doomed to suffer a catastrophic “escape” event.

(For example, such an event would occur if a group of several hundred of these “carriers of advanced genetics and longevity”, escaped to a raw planet and interbred with wild-type humans.)


Goo: Goo the Numbat. Surely if you’re clever enough to create the perfect slave, you are clever enough to control the perfect slave. After all, human engineering of dog genetics has created a species that serves humanity without question.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. They do still bite humans, not their masters.

Erasmus: Erasmus. As we have proposed in our early explanation of biblical events, if you are creating a loyal “intelligent” slave, a genetic safety mechanism would be advisable to limit uncontrolled breeding of such constructs. We will deal with this in another part of this site. Biological realities would limit an easy escape from domination and control. And the technologies to overcome these limitations could be "proscribed", making them difficult to access.

I think it is impossible to stop any determined effort to overcome control, but it is easy to put many sequential impediments to control in the way.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Another question that always emerges when aliens are discussed is “Why should there be so much secrecy” protecting the human public from information about aliens?

Erasmus: Erasmus. Yes I am certainly convinced that secrecy in the name of a national government has a very corrosive effect on the development of understanding. That the UFO phenomena does not constitute a security threat – is no longer an acceptable comment. A transient unknown object that intrudes into any sovereign airspace without permission must always have security implications.

Kinkajou:Kinkajou. Reasons suggested for withholding information from the public include:

* Wanting To Do Research – before anyone else or enemies may have the capacity to do so.
* Wanting To Work Out How Flying Saucers Work: – as they are likely to be good weapons delivery and defence systems.
* Release of information to the general public would make younger generations of humans see themselves as “earthlings” which would encourage an allegiance to the planet first and the nation second. So, governments would want people to be loyal to government first, humanity second.
* Limiting the challenge to religion – the religious notion that humanity is the only intelligent life in the universe and that UFOs are the work of the devil. Religions could be challenged by the appearance of extra-terrestrial life forms.

Erasmus: Erasmus. This seems ridiculous on the face of it. I’m sure the organised religions would embrace the presence of aliens as just another product of a creative pulse from an all-powerful, all seeing, all knowing God.

* The fear that the announcement of alien existence would cause panic, a fear that the aliens are here to slaughter us
* Fear Of Unwelcome Messages – a fear that the aliens may deliver a message that humanity will be devastated by biological agents (causing cancer),, or some other disaster. A fear that these things could cause chaos and a breakdown of the social order.

* A fear that the aliens may show other people in the world the same consideration as they have shown the governments in the Western world. This is a fear of human rivalry, being exploited by alien interaction. It could well lead to a breakdown in the relationship between East and West and substantial change in the power structure on the planet.

* A fear of stagnated technical development – why should we spend time developing things that someone else has already done and can give us ready-made. Why should we waste our time and resources doing things that have been already done?

Goo: Goo the Numbat. You mentioned banana plants before but you had mentioned to me some similar concerns about the religion of Buddhism.

Buddha Buddha
Erasmus: Erasmus. Buddhism is a very unusual and almost nonhuman religion. There is no God or superior being in the religion of Buddhism. Humans for thousands of years have believed in God, but there is no God in the Buddhist religion. In this religion, the human soul is subject to endless manifestation and transmigration to different animal or human forms. The only escape is complete extinction or the ending of “Nirvana”. The mind is withdrawn from thought and feeling by aesthetic exercises with the goal of achieving nothing (Nirvana).

I mentioned my opinion to a friend once – a serious point. I felt that it would be almost impossible for many human beings to ever achieve a true feeling or understanding of Buddhism. My friend agreed with me. He said that Buddha himself had mentioned that very few humans would ever truly achieve the highest state of Buddhism due to the need to lose so many basic human motivations and drives. It is a direction of thought and experience which is very different to that of many humans’ beliefs – beliefs which underlie human activity and existence.

Goo: Goo the Numbat. An interesting perspective.