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The Zodiac : ? Relevant to Aliens

Evidence Of Aliens Throughout Earth’s History.
Goo: . Is there other evidence of the presence of aliens throughout Earth’s history?
Erasmus: . There are African myths of an event near Harare in Zimbabwe. Star people came to earth in magic sky boats. They had large catlike eyes. The Zulus call them “mantindane”.
Kinkajou:. Sound like Grey’s to me.

Erasmus: . Similar sightings amongst the Australian aborigines had the ETs labelled as “wandinja”.

Goo: . And don’t forget the Bible.
Erasmus: . Yes. There is the escape from Egypt and the Passover of the Red Sea: “an angel of the Elohim had gone in front of the Israelite host to station himself in a pillar of dark clouds between the Israelites and the pursuing Egyptians to separate the camps. And during the night Yahweh drove back to sea with a strong East wind and dried up the sea and the waters were divided and the children of Israel went into the sea upon the dry ground.

Also, on crossing into the Sinai, the children of Israel were led by a divine pillar that was a dark cloud during the day and a fiery beacon at night.

Joshua 3,4 references a similar event in crossing a river, (similar to the Red Sea crossing).

14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them. 15 Now the Jordan is at flood stage all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water’s edge, 16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (that is, the Dead Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho. 17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the  LORD  stopped in the middle of the Jordan and stood on dry ground, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.

Ark of the Covenant

4 When the whole nation had finished crossing the Jordan, the LORD said to Joshua, 2 “Choose twelve men from among the people, one from each tribe, 3 and tell them to take up twelve stones from the middle of the Jordan, from right where the priests are standing, and carry them over with you and put them down at the place where you stay tonight.”
4 So Joshua called together the twelve men he had appointed from the Israelites, one from each tribe, 5 and said to them, “Go over before the ark of the LORD your God into the middle of the Jordan. Each of you is to take up a stone on his shoulder, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites, 

6 to serve as a sign among you. In the future, when your children ask you, ‘What do these stones mean?’ 7 tell them that the flow of the Jordan was cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD. When it crossed the Jordan, the waters of the Jordan were cut off. These stones are to be a memorial to the people of Israel forever.”
8 So the Israelites did as Joshua commanded them. They took twelve stones from the middle of the Jordan, according to the number of the tribes of the Israelites, as the LORD had told Joshua; and they carried them over with them to their camp, where they put them down. 9 Joshua set up the twelve stones that had been in the middle of the Jordan at the spot where the priests who carried the ark of the covenant had stood. And they are there to this day.

10 Now the priests who carried the ark remained standing in the middle of the Jordan until everything the LORD had commanded Joshua was done by the people, just as Moses had directed Joshua.

Erasmus: . Other Stories:
According to Joshua 6:1–27, the walls of Jericho fell after the Israelites marched around the city walls once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day, then blew their trumpets. 

Kinkajou:. Some authors think that this event relates to an earthquake, rather than the acts of God. Recently though, we have acquired evidence of the actual existence of Jericho.
Erasmus: . . I would muse that the story suggests "There is evidence of the use of gravity technology" in the above examples. What more obvious use of a gravity weapon than collapsing a wall by applying a force sideways onto the wall. Gravity would create wind and move water. And multiple comments on the use of gravity in various texts all describe a "warm" ground / earth at the site of its action.

Generating gravity in bulk seems to generate a lot of infra-red > heat .
A very useful observation if humanity ever decides to attempt to generate gravity itself.

Kinkajou:. There has been an argument long-term about the veracity of the stories in the Bible. Many people have doubted the references. However, time and time again, the Bible has proven to have truthful and relevant references to real times and real places.

Erasmus: . Many scholars today feel that the book of Joshua holds historical value, since its’ origin lies in a time far removed from the times that it portrays. The belief is that the intention of the book is theological teaching, not truthfulness. Other scholars say the story of Jericho represents nationalist propaganda of the kingdom of Judah and their claims to their Kingdom of Israel.

Joshua at Jericho

Kinkajou:. The book of Genesis and the Bible refers to times 12,000 years ago, (10,000 BC). It is only possible that the knowledge was transmitted by verbal tradition as there was no written language for several thousand years after this time. And yet there are other books in other languages within the region referring to the same events and following the same themes.

The book of Genesis has some remarkable and advanced themes if you look beyond the simple text.

Goo: . Yes it does seem to aim to transmit some truth – though in the guise of religion.
Erasmus: . . Ancient Egypt has many stories of the old ones who came first and lived on the land for a long time – before human civilisation. Sumerian pictographs show images of wings, somewhat suggestive of the insignia a pilot may get upon “earning his wings”.

Kinkajou:. And then there are the actions of the Lord God – smoting people.
Erasmus: . One example is “And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred fourscore and five thousand; and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.”

One written document from the era - called Sennacherib's Prism, details the events of the campaign against Judah. It boasts house Sennacherib destroyed 46 of Judah’s cities. The text goes on to describe how the "terrifying splendour" of the Assyrian army caused the Arabs and mercenaries reinforcing the city to desert. It adds that the Assyrian king returned to Assyria where he later received a large tribute from Judah.. The massive Assyrian casualties are not mentioned in the Assyrian text.

Sennacherib's Prism

Goo: . I think there must be some truths reflected in all these writings and all the stories. But it is of course possible that not every story is 100% true. And some stories may be true only from the reference point of the writer and maybe not to us who have a wider knowledge and experience. That does not mean the writings are false. But maybe they are true.

We have a lot of experience with propaganda ourselves in this area. Just look at what Putin and friends say to hide military disasters in the Ukraine from the public. And you would definitely never want to say that some "God" took a stand against you. After all, the King's power is supposed to derive from the divine. Admitting godlike powers opposing you is tantamount to admitting that you are not a proper King. Something a King could never reveal to his subjects.

Looking back through history it is impossible to say who has censored what. And tidying up the Bible to improve its message and achieve the aims of the humans in the era of the rewrite, has been an activity going on for a long time. Certainly, the Assyrians would deny evidence of the loss of 100 fourscore and 5000 men. However, the evidence of the campaign is that Judah lost, and the Assyrians won the campaign. ( Assyrian account: Sennacherib's Prism).

It is conflicts like these that suggest that this particular writer in the Bible was engaging in religious propaganda rather than truthfully relating events.

Nonetheless, there are many events referred to in the Bible that archaeology over the last 100 years-has verified as truth.

Goo: . A situation akin to our relationship with the Aliens. There may be truth but there are often also misleading falsehoods as well. You need to look at the facts of every claim and attempt to verify them by looking at the evidence.

Kinkajou:. Other stories?
Erasmus: . In the sixth century BC Mesopotamia, the prophet Ezekiel saw four beings of human appearance emerge from a vessel of bronze.
Some authors believe this to be evidence of rocketships.
Kinkajou:. There is a point at which stories cease to be credible. Rocket ships require maintenance and technological repairs and industrially produced spare parts. You cannot achieve a pinnacle high-technology from a low technological base.
Goo: . But if they had bases somewhere else on the planet Earth?

Kinkajou:. Well then I suppose it could be possible.
But technologies such as rockets, aircraft, (vessels of bronze), drones (Cherubim of Eden at the expulsion of Adam and Eve) all require technological maintenance and industrial production for maintenance and spares.

If there are fiery "rocket "plumes, this is also very human type technology, not evidence of gravity drive on the part of alien interlopers on our planet.

How long would a plane or car work today without maintenance and spare parts. I think you would be lucky to achieve 12 months even with a “new “vehicle. And then Kaput. A World War 2 Lancaster, a comparatively primitive piece of tech to a space ship or a rocket ship, has 55,000 parts.

Kinkajou:. Other stories?
Erasmus: . In 747 A.D. in China, a huge flame breathing Dragon is reported flying in the sky followed by men in airships.
Kinkajou:. A 1531 map of the world created by Orontius Finaeus showed an accurate representation of an ice free Antarctica by modern standards.

Map Antarctica

Erasmus: . This was possibly a little complicated and likely not representative of advanced knowledge of planet Earth’s geography.
People in mediaeval era thought that the Earth needed to be balanced by a landmass in the South of the planet. So, it is possible the guess as to the Antarctica shape – is just that – a guess.

An illustration of the power of the belief in an unknown southern continent is shown by the justification for depicting one given by Gerhard Kremer (Gerhardus Mercator, 1512-1594). On his map of the world published in 1569, he wrote that if the earth were to remain in equilibrium, the land masses of the northern hemisphere must be balanced “under the Antarctic Pole [by] a continent so great that with the southern parts of Asia, and the new India or America,  [it] should be a weight equal to the other lands.” Deriving as it did from Classical geographers, this viewpoint explains why so many sixteenth-century cartographers were confident enough to show a southern landmass, even without evidence for its existence from mariners.

It also conforms to the prevalent geographical theories of the early sixteenth century, including ideas about the necessity of balancing landmasses in the north with others in the south to prevent the earth from tipping over.

Referencing: Another map of Antarctica, this time from 1531

The map of Oronce Finé
The map in question was published in 1531 and its supporters claim that it shows the continent at the correct scale, correctly placing the Weddell and Ross Seas as well as Queen Maud Land, Wilkes Land and Marie Byrd Land in their correct longitudes.

Although there are fairly obvious similarities between the general depiction of the southern continent by Orontius Finaeus and modern maps of Antarctica, they do not stand up to close scrutiny. Indeed, there are more differences than similarities, much as one would expect from a map drawn without genuine knowledge of the southern continent!

To show that Orontius’s Terra Australis corresponds to the outline of Antarctica, it was necessary for Hapgood to rotate the depiction by about twenty degrees, move the South Pole by 7½° (1,600 km) and alter the scale, as Terra Australis is 230% the size of Antarctica.

The placenames written on the southern landmass demonstrate that Piri took into account the commonly held belief in a southern continent. Classical Greek geographers first proposed the existence of a great southern land mass, and it was reported by Portuguese explorers voyaging along the east coast of South America (some of whom may have reached the Antarctic Peninsula).

Even so, the shape of the southern land that Piri drew in no way resembles the coast of Antarctica, ice-free or otherwise. The sole point of comparison is that both lie to the south of the Atlantic Ocean and have a generally east-west coastline.

Kinkajou:. Any other examples from more modern history?

Erasmus: . In April 1561 in Nuremberg Germany, there were 200 UFOs present in the morning sky, (cylindrical spherical and spinning disk shapes). This was recorded in some of the paintings of the time.
In August 1883 in Zacatecas Mexico, over 400 cigar shaped and disk shaped objects were seen moving across the sun.

Erasmus: . And more importantly, Ice core drilling in Greenland Antarctica does suggest evidence that the last ice age ended abruptly approximately 13,000 years ago, coinciding with a major global flooding – the deluge.

Kinkajou:. How about the Zodiac? This representation of the constellations of the sky seems to have a long long history dating back. Could this possibly be evidence of contact with EBEs?

 Erasmus: . The Origin of the Zodiac: (Astrology)
The zodiac is a Greek term used to describe the circle of twelve 30-degree divisions of celestial longitude that are centred upon the ecliptic - the path of the sun. We know from ancient records that the Greeks inherited their knowledge of the heavens primarily from the Mesopotamians, who in turn inherited their knowledge from the Sumerians.

But is there any evidence of the heavenly constellations in art or culture from before this time. Remarkably, it has been proposed that the images at Lascaux and other nearby Palaeolithic sites show exactly that....

Erasmus: . The 12 signs of the zodiac, with several associated animal constellations, all developed over 3,200-500 BC in Mesopotamia in a religious or ritual tradition. These were taken over by the Greeks around 500 BC. It is currently concluded that among the Indo-European peoples, astrology dates to the third millennium BC. 

This is supported by the following research.
'There has been much speculation as to the origin of the constellations. Until recently it has usually been assumed that they evolved from the fancies of primitive imaginations, but research now suggests that they were designed as a pictorial scientific coordinate system. A coordinate system is a set of imaginary lines for measuring positions, like the lines of latitude and longitude for determining locations on the earth.

The constellations perform a similar function, but they employ pictures, which make it easy to identify stars without need of instruments. Moreover, this evidence points to a time and place that they originated: about 2700 B.C at about 36-degree north latitude.

There are three main lines of evidence that point to this date and location'. 
The Empty Part of the Sky. There is a circle of about 36½ degree radius in the southern part of the sky which does not contain any of the original 48 constellations. That implies that the originators of the constellations lived at about 36½ degrees north latitude because at that location, exactly such an area of southern sky would be invisible to them. Moreover, the centre of that circle moves very slowly through the sky because of the motion of the earth's axis. The location of the centre of the empty part of the sky implies an origin date of about 2,900 B.C. 

Slanted Constellations. Many of the constellations are tipped at an angle to the natural directions of north, east, south and west. If one asks if there was a time and place when they would have all been much aligned vertically and horizontally, the answer is, about 2,900 B.C. Note that this is an entirely different line of reasoning, but it yields a very similar date and location of origin. Moreover, several of the constellations mark astronomically important areas at the date. For example, the long snake Hydra would have coincided with the circle called the celestial equator.

Star risings and settings. The ancient Greek poet Aratus states that certain stars rise at the same time, or set at the same time, or that one rises as another sets on opposite points on the horizon. Because of the earth's precession, such coincidences depend on both the location on the earth and on the date of observations. Using statistical methods, it has been found that Aratus was describing the stars at a latitude of about 36 ½ degrees (within about 2½degrees) at about 2,600 B.C. (within 800 years).

Evidence points to an origin on Latitude 36½ degrees, which is near perfect for Sumeria (the civilization from which Babylon inherited much of its science).
Accordingly, the Sumerians are currently credited with originating the constellations. It is important to recognise that the Sumerians also divided both time and space with the Hexadecimal system resulting in a 360-degree division of the globe and heavens.

Goo: . The question is not really when the zodiac originated, but does it contain some reference to or knowledge of the truths about extra-terrestrials?

Erasmus: . Certainly. There is some evidence that the signs of the zodiac are very ancient indeed dating back to early Sumerian days – suggestive of up to 5000 BC. The book of Enoch mentions the 12 divisions of the sky and suggests that the zodiac actually has an even older origin.

Kinkajou:. And then there is The Armenian Zodiac:
While it is traditionally claimed that the earliest reference to the zodiac originates with the Babylonians, the discovery of an observatory in Metsamor, Armenia, predating the Babylonian kingdom by almost 2,000 years has changed our perception of events as the observatory at Metsamor apparently contains the first recorded example of dividing the year into 12 sections.  Using an early form of geometry, the inhabitants of Metsamor were able to create both a calendar and envision the curve of the earth.

The discovery of the astronomical 'observatory' at Metsamor and the presence of engravings which have been speculatively called 'zodiac creatures' has given credence to the assertion that the ancient figures of the constellations were probably created by ancient peoples living in the Euphrates valley and near Mount Ararat in eastern Anatolia and Armenia:
The discovery at Metsamor, and the stones at Sissian give concrete credence to theories of the ancient origin of the groupings of the zodiac especially when coupled with ca. 4,000-3,000 BC stone carvings of zodiac figures on rocks on the Geghama Mountain Range in Armenia.

Goo: . I think the dawn of the zodiac is lost in history. Whether we believe there is truth to be found from the zodiac, is maybe something that future history will tell us.

Erasmus: . The Babylonian MUL.APIN. ('The Shining Herd')

Having established that astrology (the 12 constellations) originated in Sumeria, it is worth investigating if this represents the true origins of the zodiac. It is known that Babylonian astrology developed within the context of divination – a type of astrology – a way of predicting the future. The Sumerians called the twelve major zodiacal constellations the 'Shiny herd'.

From Zecharia Sitchin's Books

Sumerian Translation: Modern Name
GU.AN.NA --- Heavenly Bull--- Taurus
MASH.TAB.BA --- Twins --- Gemini
DUB  --- Pincers, Tongs ---Cancer
UR.GULA  --- Lion --- Leo
AB.SIN - Her father was Sin --- Virgo
ZI.BA.AN.NA --- Heavenly Fate --- Libra
GIR.TAB --- Which claws and cuts --- Scorpio
PA.BIL (Archer) --- Defender --- Sagittarius
SUHUR.MASH --- Goat-Fish --- Capricorn
GU --- Lord of the waters --- Aquarius
SIM.MAH --- Fishes --- Pisces
KU.MAL --- Field dweller --- Aries







(Right: Sumerian astrology tablet, dating from c. 2,300 BC) Note the presence of a lion and a crab in the central band.!

The tablets record the day of the year that certain groups of stars, or constellations, appear in the sky at dawn. These constellations are widely thought to be the precursors of the modern Signs of the Zodiac., However, Babylonian art is resplendent with images of Lions, Scorpions, Rams, and Bulls, dating back much further and suggestive of a much earlier recognition of the zodiac symbols.

 
The Hindu Zodiac

The names of the Hindu zodiac and corresponding Greek signs sound very different, being in Sanskrit and Greek respectively, but it has been long recognised that their symbols are identical.

For example, dhanu means "bow" and corresponds to Sagittarius, the "archer", and kumbha means "water-pitcher" and corresponds to Aquarius, the "water-carrier".
The correspondence of signs is taken to suggest the possibility of early interchange of cultural influences.

It is generally assumed that the similarity between the symbols in both systems is because of a Greek presence c. 50 BC in India, but it is contended this is supposition, and that there is clear evidence of trading between the Sumerian and Babylonian cultures and the Indus Valley Culture millennia before the Greeks were ever in Asia. Also, the Sumerians have a record of Astrological symbols that date back to c. 2,000 BC.

Some authors point out that there are several references to the zodiac in the Rg Veda and Mahabharata, both of which are ancient texts which predate any Greek influence in Asia.

Goo: . So, what is the point you’re trying to make?
Erasmus: . Perhaps the names of the zodiac carry some clue as to the origins of extra-terrestrials humans or as to the origins of extra-terrestrials involved in human history.

The contenders are:
Sagittarius: half man half beast. Or perhaps showing Sagittarius as the defender – suggests a role in galactic space for human expatriates.
Capricorn: the goat Fish or the goat – perhaps suggesting humans and aliens and coexistence.
Scorpio: which claws and cuts – perhaps suggesting hostile and dangerous extra-terrestrials.

Goo: . The proposals are interesting. But there is no way to discern the truth. But perhaps this knowledge is worthwhile in least maintaining it for consideration if new information comes to light.

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